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  • Motul 600 Vs ATE Brake Fluid - Thoughts?

    Hey guys just a quick follow up. Getting ready for the track again for the end of this month and I need to flush my brakes.
    I have been running Motul 600 with not issues until the last event.

    I am thinking of trying out ATE Type 200. Dry and Wet temp rating are a little less than Motul but its get just as good reviews. I am unable however to discern if it is synthetic or not.
    Another reason I want to try the ATE is because it comes with yellow and blue which would make it easier to flush ?

    Anyway looking for some thoughts on the ATE vs Motul.

    Thank you

  • #2
    ATE has a lower boiling point. I wouldn't run it especially you stated you are having issue with higher boiling point Motul 600.
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    • #3
      What I experienced last time at the track is a combination of the pads, worn tires and old fluid I never bleed (3 track evens an no bleeding)

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      • #4
        w/ STI - keep it simple- stick w/ Motul 600 and bleed often. It's proven to work for this application. It's not too harsh on seals.

        Higher boil point Dot-4 fluids are available (660, Castrol) but are not necessary if you bleed often.

        Note - ATE blue color fluid isn't available in USA (doesn't conform). For the record, it was a marketing gimmick and was no less/more easier to flush.

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        • #5
          Used to be a big fan of Motul until I tried Project Mu and Castrol fluids. Never looked back

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          • #6
            70 dollars for 1L ? He'll no. I'm not sponsored lol.
            I learned about the blue not conforming due to its color. Shame.

            So far, no one has run ATE?

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            • #7
              I've never had a brake fluid issue, but I've always tried to find the highest boiling point possible. It seems like the OP should go for the highest boiling point, too, given the issues you have been having and the weight of an STi.

              I've been using Prospeed RS683 for a couple of years with good results. As the name suggests, the boiling point is 683 degrees, which is the highest I have found.

              Prospeed RS683 Xtreme Performance Brake Fluid™ The world's highest performance DOT 4 Racing Brake Fluid!
              www.TrackHQ.com

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ucfbrett View Post
                I've never had a brake fluid issue, but I've always tried to find the highest boiling point possible. It seems like the OP should go for the highest boiling point, too, given the issues you have been having and the weight of an STi.

                I've been using Prospeed RS683 for a couple of years with good results. As the name suggests, the boiling point is 683 degrees, which is the highest I have found.

                Prospeed RS683 Xtreme Performance Brake Fluid™ The world's highest performance DOT 4 Racing Brake Fluid!
                Brake Fluid, Torque RT700 / Prospeed RS683
                these guys claiming this is same bottle as Torque RT700.
                Last edited by bellwilliam; 08-02-2017, 09:37 AM.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by FoxSTI View Post
                  So far, no one has run ATE?
                  I've ran ATE for many years. but this is on a 2,300LB Miata - with driver.
                  on heavier car, I've always used Motul. might not have the best spec, but never had issue with it, and easy to find.
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                  • #10
                    I also used ATE for years but again, on a 2300 pound Miata. I never had a problem with brake fluid but I also bled my brakes religiously after events.
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                    • #11
                      I only use what is needed for the car. No sense spending more. Off the shelf DOT4 has worked fine in the SM's for many years regardless of what pads we've run. We do flush / bleed after every event though. Currently we are using Castrol DOT4 @ $12/qt w/Hawk DTC60/70 pads with no issues. If generating that much heat in the braking system and still having issues in spite of high quality brake fluid I'd seriously consider adding some ducting and/or evaluating the entire system to determine what could be done to lower the brake temp. Extreme temp is the enemy of rotors, calipers, pads, and other components. Whatever you can do to bring the temperatures down will be more than paid back in longer life of all the braking components.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by markn View Post
                        I only use what is needed for the car.
                        This is the best reply! I agree 100%. Some cars need every advantage because their brakes are marginal. Everything is a compromise. We has so much problem with our OEM C5Z06 corvette brakes that when Stoptech made the T1 kit for our cars they overkilled it. My brakes are probably heavier than I need because my maintenance is so low. I'm getting 3 race weekends per set of front pads, rotors 1.5 years, and this whole race season I have not bleed my brakes using cheap O'reilly autoparts Vavoline synthetic brake fluid.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by FoxSTI View Post
                          What I experienced last time at the track is a combination of the pads, worn tires and old fluid I never bleed (3 track evens an no bleeding)
                          Here in S FL humidity is high, I found a complete flush of the fluid with new fluid (from sealed containers) a day or two before track use prevented any fluid problems. I went a step further and replaced fluid after track use also although I don't think it was really necessary. Our humidity is so much higher year round than many other areas of the country that just replacing fluid AFTER a track event might allow too much time for the fluid to absorb moisture before the next track event lowering the boiling point.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bellwilliam View Post
                            Brake Fluid, Torque RT700 / Prospeed RS683
                            these guys claiming this is same bottle as Torque RT700.
                            quoting myself. this looks amazing. $30 a bottle and 683F boiling point. anyone tried it ?
                            S1 Supermiata - 220whp
                            13 Tesla, ma: no engine !!
                            17 GT350R
                            03 Miata Club Sport
                            96 NSX
                            06 EVO MR
                            15 Mini Cooper S
                            Beck 550 Spyder

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bellwilliam View Post
                              quoting myself. this looks amazing. $30 a bottle and 683F boiling point. anyone tried it ?
                              Looks like bottles are 1/2 liter so still $60.00 for a little over a quart + shipping.

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