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  • #31
    Originally posted by passmenow View Post
    It could be more complicated than that.
    New drivers in new cars with full nannies, rear steer, match rev down shifts and modern nannies make new drivers think they are good drivers from the start.
    I don't instruct anymore but it must be difficult to do so with new drivers in modern nanny cars.
    With the new cars/new drivers lap times like this 1.23 at SOW are with in reach of limited experience drivers with state of the art nannies.
    I dont have experience with other brands, but I've been a few times at BMW Performance Center West a few times. The newest generation BMW stability control is intrusive as f**k. You can go in a 100+Mph sweeper just a hair close to the limit and it will pulse the s**t out of the brakes, making you look like a hero, especially if you have not much of an idea what are you doing. A 500+hp engine will give you 200hp at anything more than 2 degree steering angle. Once you are down to 1 degree all the hell gets loose. At the beginning I was really convinced I suck big time and I am jumping over the limit on many occasions, but it turns out this sytem is so good that it reacts slightly before getting hairy, but that behavior will not let you get at the edge at any time. You can really go faster by slowing down, but then you are fighting with the stability control, not the laws of the physics.

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    • #32
      I thought this was a good video of letting go of the wheel masquerading as skill:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Hi6cAEEAc

      Hands-off hands-on doesn't need to be binary. Letting go all the way and watching the wheel twirl a couple times seems potentially acceptable if you're doomed otherwise, but begs the question of why you were so doomed in the first place.

      But it's helpful to know that rigid control of steering wheel angle when desperately hand-over-handing it in the correct direction might not always be critical. The car might help itself along while you are figuring out what to do for when the back half of the tank slapper happens.
      2003 Z06
      Mosport | Willow Springs | Other tracks

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      • #33
        Originally posted by bellwilliam View Post
        How are lane keeping assist workIng ?
        Or the automated parallel parking systems, for that matter???

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Estoril View Post
          FYI - there is an initiative to get Advanced Driver Assistance System (ADAS) information to HPDE instructors so that they understand the capabilities of the new cars they are getting into with active autonomous (or assisted) ADAS steering, braking or throttle inputs. This was briefed in early March at an East coast seminar. "Active" means that the car can apply that input without driver assistance - or can add input if the system decides the driver needs that assistance. Passive warning/advisory systems are not the focus of this effort.
          I remember this going around last spring, there were concerns about the BMW systems, IIRC. I seem to recall there were certain models some organizers were considering excluding because the systems were too intrusive for track use.
          Yer pal,
          Force

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Force McCocken View Post
            I remember this going around last spring, there were concerns about the BMW systems, IIRC. I seem to recall there were certain models some organizers were considering excluding because the systems were too intrusive for track use.
            The concerns were about all cars with active ADAS. BMW became a temporary focal point because the discussion arose first with BMWCCA Instructors. Active ADAS systems are coming to market among most brands we instruct in. The thing we have to accept is that active ADAS are arriving across almost all brands - so we need to get and stay informed as those capabilities become more sophisticated and common. Keep in mind that the owner/student may very well not understand the implications of those systems.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by fe4 View Post
              I thought this was a good video of letting go of the wheel masquerading as skill:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Hi6cAEEAc
              That was a sad video with a sad ending.
              Wearing shorts at COTA and hands off the wheel.

              Perhaps it's ok to risk a hands off save once a year but 2 or 3 times a session is abusing the hope the "good charma kicks in" hands off save.
              IMSA/SCCA Camaros

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              • #37
                Never stop driving the car.

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                • #38
                  I think the biggest threat to HPDE in the future is government/insurance mandate for nannies you can't turn off. Who wants to pay 100's sometimes 1000's to visit a track and be driven around on a Disneyland ride? Ahhh....the safety of video games and refreshing coke in the cupholder...

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                  • #39
                    Releasing the wheel in this instance didn't seem to help.

                    https://youtu.be/ZMDZIs9-nrM?t=38s
                    Yer pal,
                    Force

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by passmenow View Post
                      Rob you checking out my legs? gimmie $5. lol
                      6'7" tallest fast driver in San Diego. lol
                      Half inch taller than Crazee but he is a little faster.
                      Short people gunna hate LOL

                      You are the fast "vertically enhanced" driver on this site

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