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    I asked William to crunch the numbers for me. Our intent with SuperMiata was to bring club racing to it's roots. Just good racing and no frills. To attract racers, we knew we would have to keep costs down to a minimum. Here's how things add up.

    SuperMiata
    vs
    National club racing (in least expensive class in a Miata)

    Registration - race and TT
    $280.00 SPM
    $579.00 National
    - National add $50 if registered <14 days before event, or $100 more if registered onsite

    Tire cost per weekend
    Hoosier SM6 lasts 1 wknd, Maxxis RC1 lasts 2 wknds
    $220.00 SPM
    $660.00 National

    Cost difference / weekend - registration and tires
    $500.00 SPM
    $1,239.00 National


    Other considerations

    Transponder rental
    $20.00 SPM
    $40.00 National

    Tire cost for one set: vs.
    $440.00 SPM - Maxxis RC1
    $660.00 PTE -Hoosier SM6

    Yearly membership
    $0.00 SPM
    $45.00 National

    # of sessions per weekend
    12 SPM
    14 National

    # of races per weekend
    3 SPM
    2 National
    SPM is 3 races per weekend, 1 on Saturday, 2 on Sunday. NASA is 1 race per day

    # of downloads per weekend (mandatory)
    4 SPM
    8 National
    - National TT and race group are back to back, with downloads, you can't run all TT and race
    sessions. May be 10 sessions per weekend. SV race group runs in red group (TT), so there is
    no back to back issue, although 1 race per day is back to back. So about 10 sessions per weekend

    # of driver's meeting per weekend
    4 SPM
    4 National
    - SV do not require TT driver's meeting, if you've done it on Saturday. So you can wake up late
    after Saturday's night's BBQ and beer

    Getting out early on Sunday
    1pm ish
    3pm ish
    - SPM's last race on Sunday is around 1pm ish. NASA PT group is always later on Sunday.

    TT driver's meeting on each day
    8am or later SPM
    7am National

    Licensing
    This is a big variable. The Speed Ventures / SuperMiata comp license is free to any person cleared for the red run group. You just have to go through a checkout session with the race director, usually Aaron. With most National club race groups, a comp license can cost a racer anywhere from $500-2500 once you add up fees for one of the approved racing schools and paid for the comp license fees. This might be the single largest cost savings with SPM compared to any National organization.

    We haven't talked about the spec for the cars but it's pretty much the same thing, 50-75% less up front cost to build a competitive SPM than a competitive PTE or Spec Miata.
    WWW.949RACING.COM
    SuperMiata

    Aside from their cost I never understood why people race them.
    But obviously I just dont get it. -fatbillybob

  • #2
    When you mention TT, are you referring to the concurrent Miata Challenge series or just normal lapping sessions? Another nice element I see is that Supermiata racers can also participate in the MC time trial series on the same weekend.

    -Ryan
    Ryan Passey
    Singulär Motorsports | Goodwin Racing

    #13 1990 Miata
    "The sport dedicating to the spirits of time attacking motoring" -Emilio

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    • #3
      I just want to make it clear the tire costs are to be competitive in each series.
      -Anthony
      1991 Miata - Trogdor SuperMiata
      2011 Ram 2500 - all the torque
      2016 Kawasaki Versys 650LT - commuter

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      • #4
        Originally posted by thepass View Post
        When you mention TT, are you referring to the concurrent Miata Challenge series or just normal lapping sessions? Another nice element I see is that Supermiata racers can also participate in the MC time trial series on the same weekend.

        -Ryan
        yes, TT = Miata Challenge..
        SuperMiata drivers can also run Miata Challenge....but SHOULD, because of the $30 discount given to MC competitors, no reason not to.
        S1 Supermiata - 220whp
        13 Tesla, ma: no engine !!
        17 GT350R
        03 Miata Club Sport
        96 NSX
        06 EVO MR
        15 Mini Cooper S
        Beck 550 Spyder

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        • #5
          What do you mean by national? National is a SCCA thing. PTE is a NASA thing.

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          • #6
            IMO , it is a bit disingenuous to compare SPM to nationals or runoffs. They are not comparable with regards to prestige and are significantly different events. A better comparison would be to regional SCCA or NASA SM events. In those cases the entry cost is much less and tires will last 2 to 3 weekends and still be competitive. This probably doesn't completely collapse the cost differences but it gets it pretty close. And if you are pretty close, and you are still weighing cost as a factor, then I think you are in for a surprise as to what it really cost to put a car on a track. At that point, have more fun for less money and kart race. Then you can be a real open wheel star for a fraction of the cost to run a SPM or SM.

            Emilio, My comments are not meant to throw water on your objective to get this class off the ground. I wish you all the luck in the world to do so and I would support you in anyway that I can.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jamz14 View Post
              IMO , it is a bit disingenuous to compare SPM to nationals or runoffs. They are not comparable with regards to prestige and are significantly different events. A better comparison would be to regional SCCA or NASA SM events. In those cases the entry cost is much less and tires will last 2 to 3 weekends and still be competitive. This probably doesn't completely collapse the cost differences but it gets it pretty close. And if you are pretty close, and you are still weighing cost as a factor, then I think you are in for a surprise as to what it really cost to put a car on a track. At that point, have more fun for less money and kart race. Then you can be a real open wheel star for a fraction of the cost to run a SPM or SM.

              Emilio, My comments are not meant to throw water on your objective to get this class off the ground. I wish you all the luck in the world to do so and I would support you in anyway that I can.
              Those are regional prices. Actual national championships cost about 4x more.

              I was not valuing nor measuring prestige. In the end, who cares? I just want to race without the fluff and extra cost. That modest bit of "prestige" comes with a price tag.

              The big national organizations give you a national championships and contingencies for the few drivers that win everything. That's it. As one of those winning drivers, I can tell you that even with contingencies, its still way more expensive than SPM and the racing isn't actually as good most of the time.
              WWW.949RACING.COM
              SuperMiata

              Aside from their cost I never understood why people race them.
              But obviously I just dont get it. -fatbillybob

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              • #8
                Ok, fair enough. But a NASA weekend regional race cost you $350 or so, not $579. Tires do cost 6-7 hundred but will last just fine for 2-3 weekends. The racing has been great for us in NASA. If SPM is even more fun and the racing better with bigger fields, that is very cool and people should consider SPM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jamz14 View Post
                  Ok, fair enough. But a NASA weekend regional race cost you $350 or so, not $579. Tires do cost 6-7 hundred but will last just fine for 2-3 weekends. The racing has been great for us in NASA. If SPM is even more fun and the racing better with bigger fields, that is very cool and people should consider SPM.
                  He's assuming you want to TT (heh), and he's comparing what it took to be competitive in PTE, not NASA SM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jamz14 View Post
                    Ok, fair enough. But a NASA weekend regional race cost you $350 or so, not $579. Tires do cost 6-7 hundred but will last just fine for 2-3 weekends. The racing has been great for us in NASA. If SPM is even more fun and the racing better with bigger fields, that is very cool and people should consider SPM.
                    $579 ($50 more if no early registration, $100 more if onsite) is for both TT and race.....as SPM weekend includes running Miata Challenge (they are on the same weekend).

                    contingency catch - if there is a big field, your chance of winning any contingency just went down. if there is a small field, there is no contingency......
                    S1 Supermiata - 220whp
                    13 Tesla, ma: no engine !!
                    17 GT350R
                    03 Miata Club Sport
                    96 NSX
                    06 EVO MR
                    15 Mini Cooper S
                    Beck 550 Spyder

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                    • #11
                      to be competitive in PTE or PTD, you need to spend $$$....trust me on this. you have no chance unless with a built engine and fresh SM6. both Andrew and I (in E) were ahead of the field by over 1.5-2 second. Sonny (in PTD) was ahead of the field by over 2-3 seconds.....

                      I would love to say it was due to my (our) superman driving skill....but:

                      built engine for the power curve....I once told a competitor (when he was questioning our power output): "we have the same 140whp power at end of T1 (say WSIR), but I guarantee you have >120whp at exit of T9, whereas I have 140whp........." his jaw dropped.....
                      * I am exaggerate a little here, but not by much....

                      Fresh Hoosier is worth so much (other tires heat cycle a little better), it is ridiculous...so if one competitor brings a fresh Hoosier and you are not, you are screwed....so you always bring fresh Hoosiers. that's close to $800 mounted.
                      Last edited by bellwilliam; 10-01-2013, 09:53 AM.
                      S1 Supermiata - 220whp
                      13 Tesla, ma: no engine !!
                      17 GT350R
                      03 Miata Club Sport
                      96 NSX
                      06 EVO MR
                      15 Mini Cooper S
                      Beck 550 Spyder

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                      • #12
                        Well contingency anything is a moot point because there isn't any in SP, so how hard it is to get/how unhelpful it is for covering racing costs in NASA, that's neither here nor there.

                        However, the lack of contingency money might allow a novel concept; gentleman's racing. Plenty competitive, but not the cutthroat/everyone's looking for ways to cheat type of stuff that happen when greed and glory are on the table...
                        Ryan Passey
                        Singulär Motorsports | Goodwin Racing

                        #13 1990 Miata
                        "The sport dedicating to the spirits of time attacking motoring" -Emilio

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                        • #13
                          Contingency might not play a role in SPM races at this point (mainly because these are more of pilot races than a series at this point), but we do have pretty cool prizes in Miata Challenge.
                          Just this last event top finishers in all classes received ~$700 worth of Blackbird Fabworx gift certificates
                          And, in a little twist that we put on that, vendors are not eligible to collect prizes, so the gift certs that Emilio (2nd place) and myself (3rd) were supposed to get for our finishing position, moved on to 4th and 5th places.
                          Moti

                          Blackbird Fabworx - Quality Performance Fabrication

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by robburgoon View Post
                            He's assuming you want to TT (heh), and he's comparing what it took to be competitive in PTE, not NASA SM.
                            Oh, ok. Well then in that case, if you want to narrowly define the comparison down to only look at it this way, then SPM is great. Again, I wish you guys all the best and hope that it works out to be the best racing for the price.

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                            • #15
                              Gentleman's racing evaporates as soon as anyone cares about winning. You can't have it both ways.

                              PTE was pretty tame until the 949 crowd showed up and forced everyone to do all that curve shaping.

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